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Subject: Re: FR New Features
Date: Fri, 07 May 2010 18:07:05 +0200The things you describe below are intentional. If you start FR with only one folder name as command line it will load it into the browser instead of free select.
This is how FR behaved before, so I don't want to break it, plus I think it is the best solution.
// Dan
Marcel wrote:
>
> Okay I understand. I was indeed dropping folders containing files only. In that case folders does not have effect.
>
>
>
> Tried out following
>
> a) from the left Explorer panel select 1 folder – send to Explorer (using context menu/send to)
>
> the pop-up does not appear, folder will not be shown in free select (show up in browser)
>
>
>
> close FR
>
> b) same as above but now from the right window panel 1/one folder – send to Explorer (context menu)
>
> the pop-up does not appear, folder will not be shown in free select (show up in browser)
>
>
>
> close FR
>
>
>
> c) from the right window panel select 2, 3 folders containing a subfolders and files send to FR, tagging files and folders (both)
>
> search folders should also be tagged, now folders and subfolders and files are shown
>
>
>
> close FR
>
>
>
> d) from the right window panel select 1 folder with/without subfolders and rmb send to FR, it will show up in the browser
>
> now tag folders/subfolders under 'include'.
>
> it will not show the folder names - pls correct me if I am wrong (which definitely may be the case… I cannot check it anymore)
>
> if my memory serves me well, using RMB load files and folders (in the 32bit windows), the folder were presented in the browser panel, right ??
>
>
>
> as for item 4) FR icon is on my desktop.
>
>
>
> weird … many many times i trying it out I cannot reproduce it anymore, i.e. FR remains open in front of me and I am not switched back to
>
> Explorer (Directory Opus).
>
> I give up trying to reproduce it. Donot understand. Maybe some other apps were interfering, I donot know.
>
> Let's softpedal on this.
>
>
>
> Assume you donot have such behaviour ??
>
>
>
> brgds/Marcel.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Van: Dan (RL Vision) [mailto:*****@*****]
> Verzonden: dinsdag 4 mei 2010 20:33
> Aan: Marcel
> Onderwerp: Re: FR New Features
>
>
>
>
>
> Marcel wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Dan,
>
>
>
> I think it is great !
>
>
>
> 1) I really.. hope you can have the folders added as well (my 1st request below)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I am thinking about simply changing the option-boxes to checkboxes, so you can select both at the same time. That should solve the problem I think.
>
>
>
>
> 2) Say you have explorer in front of you: you drag/drop a few folders into FR, it will list the files only.
>
>
>
>
>
> a) if you select some folders and drag/drop them into FR and select 'folders' only in the pop-up, like the below
>
>
>
>
>
> nothing will happen, i mean nothing gets into FR – the free select remains empty.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> b) if you select some folders and drag/drop them into FR and select 'folders' and 'files' OR 'Files' in the pop-up, like the below
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> the results are identical – files are listed (no subfolder).
>
>
>
> Am puzzled about the what is supposed to happen when tagging 'folders' only.
>
>
>
>
> A folder that you drop may contain both files and (sub)folders. If you enable "folders" then such folders will be added. (It's just like the files/folders in the file browser.)
>
> In your examples, probably the folder you dropped did not contain any folders?
>
>
> 3) Remembering settings, also after fresh launch. My request below nr. 3
>
> Would it also be possible to have FR remember the previous settings even after a fresh launch of FR.
>
> This is just a nice to have thing.
>
>
>
>
> Already done! (You'll get it in the next update)
>
>
> 4)
>
> a)Try this one:
>
> Open Explorer, select drag/drop some folders to FR
>
> FR opens but remains behind Explorer.
>
> With me, having a 24" screen, a part of FR is visible.
>
> I click on that part of FR and I can then tag whatever in the 'Add to Free Select' pop-up.
>
>
>
> now… once you have selected e.g. files + ok
>
> then you are being switched back to explorer, which is a little bit strange, as the last thing you did is some action within FR
>
> and in most cases you wish to continue to work with FR, i.e. in most cases you have selected the files/folders you wish to
>
> rename and dropped them into FR, i.e. in most cases you are done with Explorer for that moment and wish to work with FR.
>
>
>
> I am not sure whether this is a typical Windows behaviour, but if this 'switch-back' action that is under controle of FR, why
>
> not take it out. The most logical thing is to work with FR.
>
> How Windows handles this has always puzzled me. Although i have not investigated it, I believe it is Windows who decides about it, and not the applications themselves. The same thing happens to me sometimes when working with various applications.
>
> But tell me, where is the FR icon located that you drop the files onto. At least I can test it myself and see if it happens and what can be done.
>
>
>
>
>
> brgds/Marcel.
>
>
>
> Van: Dan (RL Vision) [mailto:*****@*****]
> Verzonden: maandag 3 mei 2010 21:42
> Aan: Marcel
> Onderwerp: Re: FR New Features
>
>
>
>
>
> Marcel wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Dan,
>
>
>
> This definitely looks very promising indeed !
>
>
>
> Have added FR to the send to menu, that works fine.
>
> Obviously also the drag and drop.
>
>
>
> A few points:
>
>
>
> When I drag and drop / send to and get this window
>
>
>
> the folders (parent folder) are not shown. Is that correct. In the 'old days' the parent folder was shown as well.
>
> right now only the files are shown.
>
>
>
> also showing the parent folder has an advantage…
>
> assume you wish (and I do this all the time…) to rename like-
>
> but..!
>
> wish to change the parent name first, before starting the rename job..
>
>
>
> in the old days you may hit F2 change the foldername and then proceed.
>
>
>
> now, the foldername is not shown, i.e. it cannot be changed within FR.
>
>
>
>
> I see. I was actually thinking about an option to include the root folder, but I decided not to to make the interface simpler and easier to understand. I will think about it more.
>
>
>
>
>
> cud you have the foldername also mentioned.
>
>
>
> 2) when having explorer in front of you and you drop –say- 3 folders onto FR, FR will open.
>
> okay.
>
> now you switch to explorer again and you drop a few new folders to FR (which is behind explorer)
>
> then FR will add –say- 4 new ones to the old ones, then in FR it shows 7 folders.
>
> Maybe it would be an option (to be tagged) that the existing folders are cleared, assuming that the user
>
> wishes to proceed with the next rename job.
>
> It should be an option though…
>
>
>
> Well, since it is already very easy to clear the list ("blank paper" icon) I don't see why there needs to be more options here. Either you clear the list using the icon before you switch to explorer, or you don't, and you have the ability to add more items (which is also very useful if you for example want to drop items from different places.)
>
>
>
> 3) the above window, ones users have selected some settings, FR should remember it.
>
> I my case I mostly will use above settings, I need to tag it each time over.
>
> Of course, I just haven't had time to do it yet.
>
>
>
>
> hmmm… forget item 3 just for now… I need to check it again, sometimes it remembers the setting,
>
> but likely only when it is active.. maybe a different way of working drag and drop vs send to…
>
> I need to check this and get back.
>
>
>
> must go now, will get back to you tomorrow, will do some more testing first..
>
>
>
> MANY MANY MANY T H A N K S for the job!!!!
>
>
>
> it is greatly appreciated, really!!!
>
>
>
> brgds/Marcel.
>
>
>
>
> Glad to hear your like it :-)
>
> // Dan
>
>
>
> Van: Dan (RL Vision) [mailto:*****@*****]
> Verzonden: zondag 2 mei 2010 20:29
> Aan: Marcel
> Onderwerp: Re: FR New Features
>
>
>
> Good evening Marcel,
>
> During the weekend I have worked on a couple of new features that I think you will like:
>
> --
>
> 1. Now you can simply drop files/folders onto the FR icon to start it, and it will load these files! This also means that you can add FR to the "send to" menu, which is kind of a "shell extension rmb" thing.
>
> However: Because Windows (not FR) has a limit on the length of command lines, you can only drop a limited number of files. How many depends on the length of each filename and its path. The limit is around 2000 characters. 10-20 files should be ok I think. If you go past the limit, explorer will give a cryptic error message...
>
> --
>
> 2. There are 3 ways to add files to "free select": (1) Use the RMB menu in the "browser" (2) Drag & Drop from Explorer/Dopus (3) Use the buttons above free select. In all of these cases I have made it so that if you try and add a folder you will be asked how to handle this. I think this is exactly what you need!
>
> Also, there is a new button above free select, for browsing folders.
>
> --
>
> I have attached a version that you are welcome to try. Looking forward to hearing your response!
>
> // Dan
>
>
>
>
>
This is how FR behaved before, so I don't want to break it, plus I think it is the best solution.
// Dan
Marcel wrote:
>
> Okay I understand. I was indeed dropping folders containing files only. In that case folders does not have effect.
>
>
>
> Tried out following
>
> a) from the left Explorer panel select 1 folder – send to Explorer (using context menu/send to)
>
> the pop-up does not appear, folder will not be shown in free select (show up in browser)
>
>
>
> close FR
>
> b) same as above but now from the right window panel 1/one folder – send to Explorer (context menu)
>
> the pop-up does not appear, folder will not be shown in free select (show up in browser)
>
>
>
> close FR
>
>
>
> c) from the right window panel select 2, 3 folders containing a subfolders and files send to FR, tagging files and folders (both)
>
> search folders should also be tagged, now folders and subfolders and files are shown
>
>
>
> close FR
>
>
>
> d) from the right window panel select 1 folder with/without subfolders and rmb send to FR, it will show up in the browser
>
> now tag folders/subfolders under 'include'.
>
> it will not show the folder names - pls correct me if I am wrong (which definitely may be the case… I cannot check it anymore)
>
> if my memory serves me well, using RMB load files and folders (in the 32bit windows), the folder were presented in the browser panel, right ??
>
>
>
> as for item 4) FR icon is on my desktop.
>
>
>
> weird … many many times i trying it out I cannot reproduce it anymore, i.e. FR remains open in front of me and I am not switched back to
>
> Explorer (Directory Opus).
>
> I give up trying to reproduce it. Donot understand. Maybe some other apps were interfering, I donot know.
>
> Let's softpedal on this.
>
>
>
> Assume you donot have such behaviour ??
>
>
>
> brgds/Marcel.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Van: Dan (RL Vision) [mailto:*****@*****]
> Verzonden: dinsdag 4 mei 2010 20:33
> Aan: Marcel
> Onderwerp: Re: FR New Features
>
>
>
>
>
> Marcel wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Dan,
>
>
>
> I think it is great !
>
>
>
> 1) I really.. hope you can have the folders added as well (my 1st request below)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I am thinking about simply changing the option-boxes to checkboxes, so you can select both at the same time. That should solve the problem I think.
>
>
>
>
> 2) Say you have explorer in front of you: you drag/drop a few folders into FR, it will list the files only.
>
>
>
>
>
> a) if you select some folders and drag/drop them into FR and select 'folders' only in the pop-up, like the below
>
>
>
>
>
> nothing will happen, i mean nothing gets into FR – the free select remains empty.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> b) if you select some folders and drag/drop them into FR and select 'folders' and 'files' OR 'Files' in the pop-up, like the below
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> the results are identical – files are listed (no subfolder).
>
>
>
> Am puzzled about the what is supposed to happen when tagging 'folders' only.
>
>
>
>
> A folder that you drop may contain both files and (sub)folders. If you enable "folders" then such folders will be added. (It's just like the files/folders in the file browser.)
>
> In your examples, probably the folder you dropped did not contain any folders?
>
>
> 3) Remembering settings, also after fresh launch. My request below nr. 3
>
> Would it also be possible to have FR remember the previous settings even after a fresh launch of FR.
>
> This is just a nice to have thing.
>
>
>
>
> Already done! (You'll get it in the next update)
>
>
> 4)
>
> a)Try this one:
>
> Open Explorer, select drag/drop some folders to FR
>
> FR opens but remains behind Explorer.
>
> With me, having a 24" screen, a part of FR is visible.
>
> I click on that part of FR and I can then tag whatever in the 'Add to Free Select' pop-up.
>
>
>
> now… once you have selected e.g. files + ok
>
> then you are being switched back to explorer, which is a little bit strange, as the last thing you did is some action within FR
>
> and in most cases you wish to continue to work with FR, i.e. in most cases you have selected the files/folders you wish to
>
> rename and dropped them into FR, i.e. in most cases you are done with Explorer for that moment and wish to work with FR.
>
>
>
> I am not sure whether this is a typical Windows behaviour, but if this 'switch-back' action that is under controle of FR, why
>
> not take it out. The most logical thing is to work with FR.
>
> How Windows handles this has always puzzled me. Although i have not investigated it, I believe it is Windows who decides about it, and not the applications themselves. The same thing happens to me sometimes when working with various applications.
>
> But tell me, where is the FR icon located that you drop the files onto. At least I can test it myself and see if it happens and what can be done.
>
>
>
>
>
> brgds/Marcel.
>
>
>
> Van: Dan (RL Vision) [mailto:*****@*****]
> Verzonden: maandag 3 mei 2010 21:42
> Aan: Marcel
> Onderwerp: Re: FR New Features
>
>
>
>
>
> Marcel wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Dan,
>
>
>
> This definitely looks very promising indeed !
>
>
>
> Have added FR to the send to menu, that works fine.
>
> Obviously also the drag and drop.
>
>
>
> A few points:
>
>
>
> When I drag and drop / send to and get this window
>
>
>
> the folders (parent folder) are not shown. Is that correct. In the 'old days' the parent folder was shown as well.
>
> right now only the files are shown.
>
>
>
> also showing the parent folder has an advantage…
>
> assume you wish (and I do this all the time…) to rename like
>
> but..!
>
> wish to change the parent name first, before starting the rename job..
>
>
>
> in the old days you may hit F2 change the foldername and then proceed.
>
>
>
> now, the foldername is not shown, i.e. it cannot be changed within FR.
>
>
>
>
> I see. I was actually thinking about an option to include the root folder, but I decided not to to make the interface simpler and easier to understand. I will think about it more.
>
>
>
>
>
> cud you have the foldername also mentioned.
>
>
>
> 2) when having explorer in front of you and you drop –say- 3 folders onto FR, FR will open.
>
> okay.
>
> now you switch to explorer again and you drop a few new folders to FR (which is behind explorer)
>
> then FR will add –say- 4 new ones to the old ones, then in FR it shows 7 folders.
>
> Maybe it would be an option (to be tagged) that the existing folders are cleared, assuming that the user
>
> wishes to proceed with the next rename job.
>
> It should be an option though…
>
>
>
> Well, since it is already very easy to clear the list ("blank paper" icon) I don't see why there needs to be more options here. Either you clear the list using the icon before you switch to explorer, or you don't, and you have the ability to add more items (which is also very useful if you for example want to drop items from different places.)
>
>
>
> 3) the above window, ones users have selected some settings, FR should remember it.
>
> I my case I mostly will use above settings, I need to tag it each time over.
>
> Of course, I just haven't had time to do it yet.
>
>
>
>
> hmmm… forget item 3 just for now… I need to check it again, sometimes it remembers the setting,
>
> but likely only when it is active.. maybe a different way of working drag and drop vs send to…
>
> I need to check this and get back.
>
>
>
> must go now, will get back to you tomorrow, will do some more testing first..
>
>
>
> MANY MANY MANY T H A N K S for the job!!!!
>
>
>
> it is greatly appreciated, really!!!
>
>
>
> brgds/Marcel.
>
>
>
>
> Glad to hear your like it :-)
>
> // Dan
>
>
>
> Van: Dan (RL Vision) [mailto:*****@*****]
> Verzonden: zondag 2 mei 2010 20:29
> Aan: Marcel
> Onderwerp: Re: FR New Features
>
>
>
> Good evening Marcel,
>
> During the weekend I have worked on a couple of new features that I think you will like:
>
> --
>
> 1. Now you can simply drop files/folders onto the FR icon to start it, and it will load these files! This also means that you can add FR to the "send to" menu, which is kind of a "shell extension rmb" thing.
>
> However: Because Windows (not FR) has a limit on the length of command lines, you can only drop a limited number of files. How many depends on the length of each filename and its path. The limit is around 2000 characters. 10-20 files should be ok I think. If you go past the limit, explorer will give a cryptic error message...
>
> --
>
> 2. There are 3 ways to add files to "free select": (1) Use the RMB menu in the "browser" (2) Drag & Drop from Explorer/Dopus (3) Use the buttons above free select. In all of these cases I have made it so that if you try and add a folder you will be asked how to handle this. I think this is exactly what you need!
>
> Also, there is a new button above free select, for browsing folders.
>
> --
>
> I have attached a version that you are welcome to try. Looking forward to hearing your response!
>
> // Dan
>
>
>
>
>